08 May
Posted by Scott Sweeney as Aiding Productivity, Blog Marketing
After a show, when someone hands me a flier, it’s like they are saying ‘Here, you throw this away!’ - Mitch Hedberg
Two weeks in to my Twitter experiment I have made a lot of new friends, and have practically doubled the amount of people who have subscribed to my feed and my email list. But there is a lot of negativity around the approach I use. Without rehashing my last post, basically, what I do is add as many people as I can to my Twitter profile. They will possibly check out the website, and decide if they want to follow me back, add my RSS feed, or think I am worthless and move on.
Some people have called this fishing for traffic. Fair enough. I call it promotion in its most basic form.
One reason I like Twitter is because of the simplistic way in which you can quickly put yourself out there for people to see. I don’t hide anything, I explain who I am in detail in my About section. It is the closest thing to a flier as there is on the web. When using services like MySpace, you can really streamline your search for potential readers and fans. Twitter is just like handing someone a piece of paper with a name on it.
With Twitter, I am not invading anyone’s space. They will not receive a single note from me, nor will they receive a single tweet from me. I am adding their public page in hope they will check my website out. At the most, they will get an email saying Scott Sweeney is now following you on Twitter.
Example: If I go and follow everyone who is on ProBlogger’s Twitter profile (which I have), I might get a small percentage of people who think my information is worthwhile. Why does this sound familiar to me?
I remember now. I used to stand outside a sold out Jimmy Eat World show with a piece of paper and try to do the EXACT same thing to music fans. I would see 98 percent of the fliers I handed out in the trash, on the street, or folded up in to paper airplanes. I would do this 4 times a week, for years, in hope that I could convert just a few fans to listen to my music.
I do recall people making fun of me in passing, or in the distance. Maybe they would say under their breath that my band sucks. That would be the end of it. It is funny how the disguise of a computer icon makes people a little more trashy in the way they approach you when you are handed out a ‘virtual’ flier.
What seems to be upsetting certain members of the Twitter community is my Follower to Following ratio is skewed. This is, obviously, because I am adding every one I can. They feel this is an instant case of spam and decide that I should be added to Twitter spam lists and block lists. Which I take a little exception to because once again, I have not spammed anyone. I have never sent an unwanted email or message to someone. If someone decided to follow me and does not like what I talk about on Twitter, they can simply block me and move on. Why is the F:F ratio so important in that case?
I’ve had probably 20 new “friends” follow me in the last two weeks alone. Sure I’ll click on your friend link to see if I personally know you. If your followers/following ratio is hugely skewed as yours is, Scott, I immediately ignore you. You got lucky because I have insomnia (it’s 2am on the west coast) and wanted to see who does this sort of thing. - Dave on a comment from my original Twitter post.
If this was a concert, someone like Dave just refuses the flier, or takes it and trashes it. That part I didn’t mind. But because everyone (including myself to a degree) is hidden behind a computer, he felt compelled to come on to my website and speak his mind.After being slightly upset for a few minutes, I remembered the first rule of promotion. Don’t take promotion personal. I will gladly take 100 bad direct messages on Twitter for every one new person that says hello, or says ‘Hey Scott! I like what you are doing.’ I have found over 100 blogs and websites which are amazing, and I go to frequently through this approach on Twitter.
Am I missing something? Isn’t this what Twitter and blogging in general is about, sharing information? It shouldn’t matter how many people someone is following. What should matter is if that person who added you is worth YOU following back. That is not spam. That is promotion.
26 Responses
Meredith / @meredithk1981
May 8th, 2008 at 7:12 am
1Interesting perspective. I think for the spamming list, there should be a very high percentage minimum to weed out the real spammers from the regular people just trying to make connections. (After all, if you follow someone who chooses not to have followers, why should you be punished for it?)
And great Mitch Hedberg quote, too! Love that guy (and miss that guy).
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Isabella Murphy
May 8th, 2008 at 7:14 am
2Bah! For what it’s worth Scott, I honestly don’t give a flying sub-headline the number of people you’re following, or who is following you. I think your public timeline is interesting, hence I stick around. That should be the end of it. Is there some sort of measuring stick taken when a twitterer has a “skewed follow ratio”
Somehow, I think that sucks the joy right out of social media. I could be wrong, though.
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Scott Sweeney
May 8th, 2008 at 7:28 am
3@Meredith Its just weird. The lists I am on people can just submit anyone. And they say a ‘human’ checks out all submissions. If that were the case, a ‘human’ thinks I spam? I don’t know but my public timeline looks as clean as anyone elses. Plus I contribute! I love Twitter. It passes the time at work
@Isabella I agree completely. I love Twitter, I haven’t been on that long. But the fun is being sucked out by elitist who think they own twitter. I think it is a great PROMOTIONAL tool for my blog and my music. I don’t see anything wrong with that
Hunter Nuttall
May 8th, 2008 at 7:33 am
4I don’t mind if someone I don’t know friends me on Twitter, and I’ll usually friend them back. But I won’t friend someone who doesn’t know who I am, because I know how that’s likely to be seen.
Tim Ferriss is following 0 people and has 1,549 followers. Do you think that’s skewed? (Granted, in the other direction.)
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Scott Sweeney
May 8th, 2008 at 7:37 am
5@Hunter Very valid points. And you are right about the opposite skew. People wouldn’t look down upon that skew I feel. Because people added him and want to know what he has to say.
phej
May 8th, 2008 at 8:56 am
6I see what you’re saying Scott, but you have to admit there are people out there using Twitter to spam and people don’t look kindly on it. However, because you’re an actual person with actual content, I don’t think what you’re doing is spamming.
When someone adds me there are a few factors I look at to determine if I’m going to add them back - one of those is the following/follower ratio as it’s an early sign that user ‘RU4Real’ is a spammer. I also look at their public timeline, the info they’ve entered as their ‘bio’. If I think their public timeline is interesting to me, I’ll ignore all other data and add that person back. If their timeline doesn’t sell me 100% I will check out the website they’ve linked (if it’s not a dead giveaway for spam) to see if there is anything else of interest.
In short, if a person and their timeline is interesting I will add them back, ignoring all spam warning signs. Other people aren’t so forgiving.
Christian
May 8th, 2008 at 9:54 am
7Interesting post - and I agree with you.
I define spam on twitter as product advertising, website advertising, or messages of that sort. You are just, however, a person looking to promote your written word, without there being a commercial motive.
Personally, I am not going to follow you, and I doubt I will become a regular reader of this website. However, you did make me come to your site - you did make me read what you had to say, and for making me do that; All credit to you.
Scott Sweeney
May 8th, 2008 at 10:03 am
8@Phej I had similar backlash in 2005 when my band was using Myspace to promote. I do think people tend to forget that there ARE legitimate reasons to use social sites as promotion. I think the people that bother me are the ones who think they ARE twitter and they RUN twitter, when in fact, they are no different from you or I.
@Christian. See. This is what I like to see. Intelligence in refusal! These are things I like. There are so many bands I would never listen to, and so many websites I won’t go to. But it doesn’t mean they are irrelevant to someone else. Thank you for those comments and I appreciate your honesty!
Cheers!
scott
Herbert
May 8th, 2008 at 10:43 am
9Hey Scott, coincidentally, I’m one of those that dropped by because you started following me on Twitter, just like Christian.
I’ve started my own Twitter run in hopes of seeing what the fuss is all about, to try to communicate with readers, but also to try to draw new crowds.
I’ll admit your approach does work, but I think it’s a bit too aggressive for my taste. I might be trying something like that, albeit on a much smaller scale.
Herbert’s last blog post..It’s finally Coming?
Scott Sweeney
May 8th, 2008 at 10:52 am
10@Herbert I will admit it is aggressive, but I do have the time . I work a third shift
Tia
May 8th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
11Bwwahaahaa…I’m just glad to find out why you added me…I am newly exploring Twitter and I don’t know you but I like your updates and your site. In this case, if it was spam, it legitimately led me to site and person of interest. It’s non-interruptive so I have no objection. ‘Course if you were a goon with irrelevant content, I may feel differently, so that’s inconsistency on my part. More power to ya.
Ankit_Garg
May 8th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
12Nice post Scott.
Besides all this, there could be another perspective for following many people and ended up having a skewed ratio. The aspect of “Learnability”. And it starts with the realization that there are many things which a person could learn from others. Hence following so many people.
I know of a friend who created an account on twitter just to learn more about internet marketing and yes he is not promoting anything. I guess Learnability is his motive.
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Joyce
May 9th, 2008 at 10:14 am
13Hey there, one SHOULD follower more than have followers technically. I have accepted twitter friends I don’t know b/c they are real people with real content. I block those that appear to be mindless corporate/spam.
As a former industry analyst (turned back to the vendor side) I can tell you that we ALL used twitter to expand our visibility. That’s what it’s for. Perhaps people can close their twitter profiles if they don’t want anyone to find them except by invite, but the whole point of social media is to network and make contact.
And I’m ALWAYS willing to find new music and listen to it. That’s another beauty of the net.
Keep going brother.
Sabrina
May 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
14I wouldn’t have found your blog without you adding me on Twitter, and I figured that you found me from the problogger’s followers, and I actually want to say thanks! I really enjoy your blog and I’m glad I found it!
Allen.H
May 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
15I’m not going to comment saying what I think about your strategy, basically because it’s about 2:00 AM here and I can’t really think it out.
All I know is that controversy sells very well in the blogosphere lately, and whether created by intention or not, it has and is working for you right now. BloggerUnleashed did it, Jason Calacanis did, you did it. So props for that.
Cheers,
Allen.H
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jen
May 9th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
16Ah, so that’s how you found me on Twitter - I had wondered where you came from. I’ve since stopped following Problogger on Twitter because of the amount of tweets he did about blog posts which I read anyway and job board posts which I’m not interested in.
At the moment I see Twitter as a place to do really short blog posts.
It’s all new to me so things might change.
jen’s last blog post..Loggerheads
Aaron
May 9th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
17Scott, I am one of those people you added randomly. Not only I started following you. I started reading your blog too!
I don’t think one is spamming when he/she is the follower.
Aaron’s last blog post..Your new website is not bad as you think
Cath Lawson
May 11th, 2008 at 3:01 am
18Hi Scott - I don’t really get Twitter yet, but I’m going to have to get used to it as I’ve been banned on StumbleUpon.
I don’t see why you shouldn’t use it to promote your blog. And I love your comparison to giving out flyers. So long as a small fraction convert to blog readers, you’re doing fine.
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Rachel @weirdstuff
May 11th, 2008 at 11:11 am
19Great post Scott. I had no idea how you found me on twitter, but problogger must be it. Twitter is fun, and a great tool as well. My view is that if somebody follows me, I will follow them. That is my choice. Just as if I opt into somebody’s newsletter. It isn’t spam. We have the CHOICE to opt out of following somebody. Which I have done once because the person posted every 3 minutes w/ celebrity headlines. I was simply not interested in what Paris is doing at midnight. LOL
I just don’t get how somebody can say you are spamming them if YOU actively chose to follow them.
I say to them, grow up and opt out if you don’t like it.
Cheers!
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Sheryl Loch
May 19th, 2008 at 11:16 am
21Hello Scott,
I am new to Twitter & I am still looking at people. I do not go by their numbers as much as by past tweets. Some one that mostly tweets about XBox games is really not that interesting to me since, I do not play them. If someone tweets only links to their own ads, I also do not care to follow. If someone passes links to blogs, sites….that are about natural health, better blogging, NASCAR…..Then yes, I want to be in their followers group. The numbers have nothing to do with it.
I am sure I am following some people that I will unfollow at some point as I learn if their interest are the same as mine.
That said I will pick up new people that I feel more compatible with.
Thank you for your look at Twitter. I just do not get how you can spam by following me if I do not get your messages (if I am not following you). Maybe I am just slow yet today.
Just so you know - I follow Aaron (webspear) he is the one that lead me to this post of yours. He always tweets cool links!
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Stephen Hopson
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:23 am
22Scott:
Another interesting post about the use of Twitter. I am taking an active interest in this because number one, I find it fascinating that you’re a musician and either belong in a band or once did (not clear). And get this…I am profoundly deaf - have been since birth. Yet, I’m not only following you on Twitter but also subscribe to this blog.
Why?
Not because of your music, which obviously would have no impact on me, but because of your writing style. For instance, I liked the flyer analogy - that made what you were trying to explain super clear.
I do have one thing I want to say about the commentator above who asked if Tim Ferris’s Twitter status was skewed. When I first saw that, I was like, “What?!?” A couple of thoughts went through my head, none of which are flattering in the least. Then I realized I was experiencing that thought because of something deep within me. Could it have been a touch of envy? Whatever it was, I ended up following him and I have to admit I like his writing but does sucks that he follows no one.
But then like many of the comments left here, if it bothers me, unfollow and move on!
Great job - very thought provoking. I’m not sure I will go in your direction and follow everyone indiscriminately.
One other thing I’ve noticed is that I tend to be more selective when accepting friend requests in Facebook then Twitter. If someone follows me on Twitter, I notice I have less resistance then if someone friended me on Facebook. Have you had the same experience? I find it a curious phenomena - remember, I’m totally new to the social media experience.
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